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Replacing Banks with Savings Clubs w/ Rob Callender

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There are a couple of thousand people working in worker co-ops across the UK. Collectively, that represents millions of pounds sitting idly in separate bank accounts, where it’s used by banks to pay shareholders and invest in things many of us would strongly oppose.

What would it look like to pool more of that money together and use it collectively instead?

Some of us already use credit unions, community shares, or building societies, but these institutions can still feel distant and impersonal. They don’t bring people together and embed democratic culture and power in the way that worker co-ops do.

This month’s guest is Rob Callender, co-founder of Kin.coop, a platform designed to help people start and manage cooperative savings clubs.

What would it look like to organise money collectively?


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Money is Power

Rob put it bluntly when he said, “If we can’t change this, I think we’re fucked.”

He was talking about how weak we are when our money is isolated and managed individually. Worker co-ops are built around collective control — over our labour, workplaces, sense of purpose — but financially we remain fragmented compared to the banks, investors, and billionaires who shape the wider economy.

We need to take financial cooperation more seriously.


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But What Would We Actually Use Savings Clubs For?

Savings clubs are common across much of the world, but in the UK they still feel unusual. We’re very private about money, so the idea of putting it into a shared pot and collectively deciding how to use it can feel alien.

Some uses are simple. Buying groups, insurance pots, and solidarity funds can use savings clubs to manage shared money and support each other through difficult periods without needing formal structures.

Others are more transformative. Rotating savings clubs let members periodically access larger lump sums for things like university fees, emergency costs, flights home, or replacing appliances. Instead of relying on debt and paying interest, people borrow money from each other at no cost, and build community and resilience instead.


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Building A Worker Cooperative Safety Net

The worker co-op movement already has forms of financial solidarity. Solidfund, for example, redistributes money from workers and co-ops to support projects across the sector, and co-ops like Hempen, New Internationalist, and Loaf have all benefited from that support at difficult moments.

But it did leave me wondering whether we could go further.

Many co-ops hold reserves covering 3–6 months of operating costs. Obviously those reserves exist for good reason, but the likelihood of every co-op collapsing simultaneously is relatively low. So what would it look like to collectively pool a portion of those reserves instead of every organisation holding them entirely separately?

Rather than relying only on small voluntary donations, could the movement build larger shared financial infrastructure capable of supporting co-ops through crises, transitions, or moments where projects risk collapse entirely, like the recent fall of Daily Bread Cambridge and Brixton Cycles? I don’t have the answer, but I do think we need to get more serious about collectivising the movement’s finances.


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Welcome to Punchcard

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Welcome to Punchcard! Listen to 1-on-1 interview with a worker cooperator sharing their stories, experiences and insights.

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Accommodating Workers, Residents, and Disability w/ Sam Nordland

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In this episode, Sam Nordland reflects on their journey into the worker co-op movement and why conventional workplaces often failed to meet their needs. Sam shares how working in co-operatives offered something different: greater flexibility, mutual support, and the ability to make collective adjustments around disability and access needs that would have been difficult to secure in more traditional workplaces.

Sam shares their experience working on Stirchley Co-op Development, a new building in Birmingham that will host 39 residents and 3 worker cooperatives, and as one of the worker members at workers.coop. We discuss the challenges and opportunities of building co-operative infrastructure, and how projects like Stirchley & workers.coop can create lasting spaces where people can live, work, and organise together.

Sam Nordland was a co-founding member of the Warehouse Cafe Workers Cooperative, a member of Stirchley Development Cooperative and now works for workers.coop the UK based federation of worker cooperatives.

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The Rise & Fall of Black Cat Cafe Workers Cooperative w/ Nacho Gomez

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In this episode Nacho speaks candidly about the highs & the lows of his & Carla’s 10 year journey with Black Cat Cafe. Even though from the outside Black Cat Cafe seems to be extremely successful Nacho shares about the constant challenges they faced – the difficulties paying members & staff fairly, and the set backs when trying to attract & retain worker members.

Nacho & Caleb also reflect on the lessons learnt & we celebrate what Black Cat Cafe has achieved – having become a landmark in the vegan, activist & cooperative scenes for its pioneering vegan cuisine & dedication to supporting its community & activists.

Black Cat Cafe may stop being a workers cooperative, but as Sam Nordland said in Episode 1 painting co-op business closures as failures isn’t always useful, because “we provided jobs for ourselves for a number of years & we introduced a lot of young people to working in a cooperative setting”.

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3 Keys to Strengthen Workplace Democracy w/ Owen Powell

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In this episode of Punchcard, we sit down with Owen Powell, a lecturer and researcher with a focus on cooperative democracy. Owen first cut his teeth in the Young Cooperators Network, a national initiative formed by young people seeking cooperative alternatives to traditional economic models following the 2008 financial crash. Since then, he has completed a PhD that examined how larger and more established worker cooperatives maintain collectivist democracy over time.

In his PhD research, Owen identified 3 critical factors for strengthening cooperative democracy:

  1. Member Induction, Integration, and Involvement
  2. A Culture of Reviewing and Refreshing Established Norms
  3. Bringing in Learning and Expertise from Outside

Owen remains deeply committed to the cooperative movement, actively contributing to workers.coop as a member of their research working group. The group has already published two significant reports on the organisation’s collectivist health, offering valuable insights into the sustainability of cooperative principles.

Join us as we explore Owen’s work and discuss how research can support and empower cooperatives to survive the winds of change.

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How to Make Decisions with 200 Worker Members w/ Beau Bulman

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In this episode of Punchcard, we speak to Beau Bulman, one of the People Development Coordinators at Suma Wholefoods Worker Cooperative, about the challenges and compromises required to practice direct democracy within a cooperative of 200 worker-members, as well as sharing insights into improving member recruitment, member induction, and sustaining a cooperative culture. 

In addition to the conversation with Beau, Suma has shared their seven internal cooperative principles, that they use alongside the seven International Cooperative Principles:

  1. Suma members multi-skill.
    They actively seek out training and development to enable them to take on roles in both office and non-office areas (where practical and reasonable).
  2. Suma members see the bigger picture.
    They have a broad knowledge of Suma and have an understanding of the wider business environment.
  3. Suma members put in more than they take out.
    They work for the collective good, actively promoting cooperative values.
  4. Suma members communicate openly and honestly.
    They are professional and approachable, endeavouring to understand the viewpoint of others.
  5. Suma members actively seek out responsibility.
    They self-manage and involve themselves in the management and development of their business.
  6. Suma members are flexible.
    They are responsive to the changing needs of their business.
  7. Suma members are hardworking and have a can-do attitude.
    They monitor both the quality of their work and their productivity to ensure they meet member standard.

Listen in as we explore Beau’s work and strategies for cultivating democracy & collective responsibility.

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A Cautionary Tale from the US Federation of Worker Cooperatives w/ Rebecca Kemble

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In this episode of Punchcard, we speak to Rebecca Kemble, an experienced cooperator from the US, who is a member of Union Cabs Worker Coop in Madison and co-founder of the Solidarity Economy Principles Project.

From 2009-2016 Rebecca was a member of the board of the US Federation of Worker Coops, and in late 2024, Rebecca penned an article pointing a finger at the Federation for having drifted away from its grassroots cooperative movement origins, by centralising power and becoming unaccountable to the cooperatives that it claims to represent.

In response to the Federations shift Rebecca and others have developed the Solidarity Economy Principles Project. The project was founded to help guide and ground organisations in cooperative practices & principles to avoid them going the same way as the US Federation.

To hear the full story, listen to episode 5 of Punchcard – A Warning From The US Federation of Worker Coops w/ Rebecca Kemble.

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How We Avoided Financial Collapse w/ Ai Van Kok

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In this episode of Punchcard, we speak with Ai Van Kok, formerly a financial analyst at Leeds Bread Co-op. She joined the co-op when the co-op’s cashflow was at a critical moment—it was just months away from being unable to pay its worker’s wages. Facing an urgent crisis, Ai Van turned to traditional business management literature for solutions, finding valuable insights in books like Profit First and The E-Myth Revisited.

One of the most impactful tools Ai Van discovered was the £1 model. Financial documents make most people’s eyes glaze over, but the £1 model strips away unnecessary details and highlights only the key information. For the first time, members of Leeds Bread Co-op felt they could truly understand the co-op’s finances and were able to cut costs that saved the business.

While Ai Van had to adapt these tools to fit a cooperative framework, her approach challenges resistance to learn from traditional business practices. By translating and repurposing these methods, she has not only helped Leeds Bread Co-op but also supported other small co-ops, including Loaf Bakery, The Bike Mill, and Footprint, in strengthening their financial understanding and management.

Watch in this supplementary video where Ai Van Kok breaks down the £1 model, explaining exactly how to use it and how to apply it to your cooperative.

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Rethinking How Co-ops Approach Diversity & Inclusion w/ Taylor Le Melle

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In this episode of Punchcard, we speak with Taylor Le Melle, a founding member of not/nowhere, a BPOC worker cooperative that supports artists to navigate the structures and institutions of the UK art world, unpacking harmful myths and helping artists to recognise and use their power in the industry.

As a BPOC cooperative which is also queer-led, not/nowhere challenges other co-ops to move beyond inclusion efforts and instead adopt a more radical approach to redistribution. Inclusion, even in its most well-intentioned forms, often demands assimilation, whereas redistribution supports alternative ideas and ways of being that come from the bottom up. In this reclamation of solidarity, self-sacrifice becomes central: if you are unwilling to give something up, is it truly redistributing power, or simply another form of charity?

Taylor sees the arts as a perverse industry which also has unique opportunities for redistribution, as it is one of the only industries “where you could charge £20,000 for something that you worked on for five minutes”. By accessing capital through art, resources can be redirected toward education and movement-building. not/nowhere itself does this through its access to antique analogue film equipment and funding from the Arts Council.

Tune in to hear the full discussion with Taylor.

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Fighting Sectarianism & Racism with Worker Cooperation w/ Alice McLarnon

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Alice McLarnon grew up in Belfast during the Troubles, surrounded by violence, segregation, and 60-foot peace walls. In 2006, she joined the worker cooperative Trademark and was immediately struck by how different it was from anywhere she’d worked before. 

Coming from low paid work in a chip shop and other hierarchical workplaces, she was shocked that even as an administrator she was considered an equal. From being paid the same as the founders, to being invited to take part in key organisational decisions, Trademark’s radical commitment to equality reshaped her expectations of what a workplace could be.

In Northern Ireland, the workplace has long been one of the few places where Catholic and Protestant communities regularly intersect. That’s why Trademark, as the anti-racist and anti-sectarian unit of the Irish Labour Movement, focuses its work there — working with unions and supporting groups to set up worker cooperatives.

One of the most notable examples of this is the multi-award-winning Belfast Cleaning Cooperative. Formed by a cross-community group of women that the Trademark team were working with. The co-op has become a standout example of what cooperative development in working-class communities can look like.

Trademark’s work offers a powerful example of what’s possible when anti-racism, class politics, and cooperative economics come together. It’s a prime example of how to confront the rise of racism and fascism we’re seeing across the country.

Listen to Punchcard for the full conversation with Alice McLarnon.

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